Curse

Reiden Argrock · Jun 17, 2005, 10:38 PM // 22:38

but oh so true

Eos · Jun 17, 2005, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock

in case you havn't ever played a computer game before, people do abuse every little bug that pops up, there is however a difference between a bug, and cheating. If there is a flaw in the game design, guarunteed it will get fixed quickly, and it won't have that much effect on the community, specially for this one since it only worked for a certain class I guess, as for 'abusing the game' that is taking advantage of something that is not a flaw in the game, rather, something that nobody has been able to get perfect such as balancing extensive farming while still allowing players to get rare drops once in a while.

But i'll guaruntee, if you had fought your mirror and gotten 50k xp, and then realized you can fight him as many times as you want, you might be a little interested to see if you could get 50k xp each time to.

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Originally Posted by Rules of Conduct

#18. You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask a Question' at http://support.guildwars.com.

No, i wouldnt exploit a bug in the game, because in most games, not following the rules gets you banned.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 17, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Eos

I really hope they ban whomever used this, or at the very least delete the affected characters. They need to set an example, otherwise people will abuse every little bug that happens to crop up.

I Completely agree!! How else can you keep people from spreading out rumors of exploits... Seriously, at least then people will think twice about trying to use an exploit... it's in our agreement that we accepted to play the game in the first place... so meh.

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Originally Posted by Than

Why the hell should they do that?

All i can say to that is: "HA!". it's against the terms of agreement to use exploits. Sorry to tell yea, but it's the gaming "LAW"... you break it, you go to jail.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 17, 2005, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Eos

No, i wouldnt exploit a bug in the game, because in most games, not following the rules gets you banned.

Oh, and he quoted the rules. Ouch

Seriosuly, I never exploit bugs. And it is simply a matter of rational self-interest. I do not know if "using" the bug will screw something else up...I'm superstitious like that

Reiden Argrock · Jun 17, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

ya, ouch, I got owned

your right, and just so you don't think i'm a complete jerk, i'm not supporting exploits or anything like that, i'm just saying,

*in game* (no knowledge of guru forums)

wow, I just got 50k xp, lets do that again

Sorry, didn't mean to sound like a jerk, and I know I look stupid cause of the rules hehe

sama · Jun 17, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

hmm...it's been fixed. interesting bug.

the devs are still figuring out what they want to do with the ppl who abused this... i know what i'll do ^^

Than · Jun 17, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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All i can say to that is: "HA!". it's against the terms of agreement to use exploits. Sorry to tell yea, but it's the gaming "LAW"... you break it, you go to jail.

What about all those people who ascended w/o knowledge of this exploit? Just delete their chars like that cause they were playing the game and the developers screwed up?

Evan The Cursed · Jun 17, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

[email protected]

What he said. =)

kaos · Jun 17, 2005, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Well if I knew about this expoit I sure would have done it once since I was pissed the I ascended the day before the 50xp change.

Does that make it right? Nope, so go ahead and ban me or take my game away.

Crystal NightingGale · Jun 18, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04

i didnt even know there was an exploit.

theclam · Jun 18, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by ArenaNet

Exploitation Policy 17 June 2005
As players may have noted, we took action to close a game exploit today. We would like to remind player that the willful use of exploits is against the EULA and the Rules of Conduct. Several players who used the exploit have had their Guild Wars accounts permanently banned. If you find an exploit, please contact us directly through [email protected]. We are grateful for the assistance of the community in such matters, and will attend to reports as promptly as possible.

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Originally Posted by ArenaNet

Update – Friday, June 17
* Fixed XP exploit in Augury Rock.

So, now that it's been fixed, could someone explain the specifics of how it was done? I'm curious about it.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 18, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

ArenaNet does a great job in providing a fantastic source of entertainment for us and some people go out of their way to abuse it. Shame on them.

Keep up the great work ArenaNet, and don't forget to reward the honest players that exposed the situation. Say maybe, 50,000 XP?

Golgotha · Jun 18, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock

in case you havn't ever played a computer game before, people do abuse every little bug that pops up, there is however a difference between a bug, and cheating.

So by your standards, Diablo 2's duping methods were only a bug that shouldn't have been punishable.

Red Locust · Jun 18, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Man, that's pretty harsh. They make this change to augury rock and dangle free exp in front of you, then when you grab the bait and start farming the mirror, they drop the hammer on you and permaban you. They should have spent time thinking out what they're changing rather than screwing up and banning people.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 18, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by theclam

So, now that it's been fixed, could someone explain the specifics of how it was done? I'm curious about it.

I would tell you, but then I'd have to kill you

Ignotus · Jun 18, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

Man, that's pretty harsh. They make this change to augury rock and dangle free exp in front of you, then when you grab the bait and start farming the mirror, they drop the hammer on you and permaban you. They should have spent time thinking out what they're changing rather than screwing up and banning people.

Grab the bait as in exploiting the bug? If you exploited the bug, you get what you deserve. Anyone who says they didn't know it was a bug is in denial.

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cast vengence on yer mirror!

I thought vengeance was ally only, or was that the bug?

Deathlord · Jun 18, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Although banning is probably one of the harshest punishment's you can do in this game, I don't see exactly what controversy over how to consider it as an exploitation or not. If you really cared to see if it was an exploit, you compare it against the rules *Which many people have already done*, not against other thing's that you may have suggested as exploits. If they were that bad then you should just make two posts concerning them both, one describing the punishment that should've been done, and one debating on how fair the punishment given was. (Incase anybodies confused, i'm talking about vengeance and this exp glitch). I just don't get what bringing them both into one post as reference will help persuade anybody.

Edit- Sidenote: Just for the log, I do support the fact that anything that a person will do for hours gaining him an unfair advantage over the rest of the community while hiding is a exploit. I doubt 95% of the people that exploited this bug would've replied "Getting 100+ skill points an hour from a new patch bug" to somebody asking *What's up?*.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jun 18, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26

from reading here, I have deduced the exploit in a way.

By casting vengance (monk Skill) on the Doppleganer, you rezz it allowing to kill it again...(skill bug or just enemy bug..or both combined probably).

repeat...over and over...50K exp over and over.

I can see how this bug was exploited and why people would exploit it.

PS. No, I didnt try this exploit...and I am glad I didnt considering they are banning people for it apparently.

Stev0 · Jun 18, 2005, 03:37 AM // 03:37

Not a good time to work on the weekend guys. The coders are gonna go into overtime.

Flip up bugs on Monday mornings FFSs.

KuTeBaka · Jun 18, 2005, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

Man, that's pretty harsh. They make this change to augury rock and dangle free exp in front of you, then when you grab the bait and start farming the mirror, they drop the hammer on you and permaban you. They should have spent time thinking out what they're changing rather than screwing up and banning people.

it was an exploit, you had to do more than just kill your mirror. someone said that u had to alt-f4 at the cutscene, other people said something about using vengance.